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		<title>By: Rob Safuto</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanenergydigest.com/2008/02/25/auto-rhetoric-getting-hotter/comment-page-1/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Safuto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 03:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for stopping by Chris. When everyone is throwing bombs then no one wins. So I try to approach things from what I call a non-partisan perspective. 

My next post about maturing the discourse speaks to the needs of different stakeholders to find a common ground and build from their.

Our country has a long history of activists who have brought about positive change. But we also have a history of great companies that provide jobs and security to the people. I&#039;d like to see both sides working together in a very civil manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for stopping by Chris. When everyone is throwing bombs then no one wins. So I try to approach things from what I call a non-partisan perspective. </p>
<p>My next post about maturing the discourse speaks to the needs of different stakeholders to find a common ground and build from their.</p>
<p>Our country has a long history of activists who have brought about positive change. But we also have a history of great companies that provide jobs and security to the people. I&#8217;d like to see both sides working together in a very civil manner.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Barger</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanenergydigest.com/2008/02/25/auto-rhetoric-getting-hotter/comment-page-1/#comment-163</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Barger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, Rob, thank you for a balanced and I think fair portrayal of what&#039;s been going on lately. I haven&#039;t seen much -- from anyone -- that offers as level-headed an analysis of the interactions of late. 

Luke - if you believe that one set of words from one person defines an entire organization, then shall I repost some of the comments that were directed at us or personally at individuals within GM during the initial RAN campaign?  I doubt you&#039;d suggest I do that -- nor do I suggest that it would be fair to RAN. 

You wonder how genuinely we can be interested in a conversation. I&#039;ll turn it around and ask you: how genuinely interested is RAN in a conversation if, when we do try to open up and talk, we&#039;re met with thinly veiled skepticism at best, and personal insults and attacks at worst? If, no matter what we say, people are determined to cling to their impression of us and what they want to believe, regardless of what the facts are?

Thankfully, I don&#039;t think the people who engaged in the campaign against us completely represent RAN, and I am genuinely hopeful that we can engage in a more meaningful dialogue -- absent the cynicism and mistrust that all sides of an issue can or have shown. We have much we can learn from each other, I think.  

I could and would be happy to address with you the comments you&#039;re referring to... Clean Energy Digest&#039;s comments section isn&#039;t the place to do it (don&#039;t want to highjack the site!), but I am more than open to talking with you over e-mail. I&#039;m at christopher.barger@gm.com.  

Thanks again, Rob, for what I thought was a very fair analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, Rob, thank you for a balanced and I think fair portrayal of what&#8217;s been going on lately. I haven&#8217;t seen much &#8212; from anyone &#8212; that offers as level-headed an analysis of the interactions of late. </p>
<p>Luke &#8211; if you believe that one set of words from one person defines an entire organization, then shall I repost some of the comments that were directed at us or personally at individuals within GM during the initial RAN campaign?  I doubt you&#8217;d suggest I do that &#8212; nor do I suggest that it would be fair to RAN. </p>
<p>You wonder how genuinely we can be interested in a conversation. I&#8217;ll turn it around and ask you: how genuinely interested is RAN in a conversation if, when we do try to open up and talk, we&#8217;re met with thinly veiled skepticism at best, and personal insults and attacks at worst? If, no matter what we say, people are determined to cling to their impression of us and what they want to believe, regardless of what the facts are?</p>
<p>Thankfully, I don&#8217;t think the people who engaged in the campaign against us completely represent RAN, and I am genuinely hopeful that we can engage in a more meaningful dialogue &#8212; absent the cynicism and mistrust that all sides of an issue can or have shown. We have much we can learn from each other, I think.  </p>
<p>I could and would be happy to address with you the comments you&#8217;re referring to&#8230; Clean Energy Digest&#8217;s comments section isn&#8217;t the place to do it (don&#8217;t want to highjack the site!), but I am more than open to talking with you over e-mail. I&#8217;m at <a href="mailto:christopher.barger@gm.com">christopher.barger@gm.com</a>.  </p>
<p>Thanks again, Rob, for what I thought was a very fair analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Safuto</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanenergydigest.com/2008/02/25/auto-rhetoric-getting-hotter/comment-page-1/#comment-160</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Safuto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time will tell with respect to General Motors and other major car manufacturers. The hand of all the car companies is being forced by the price of gas and I think that&#039;s a good thing. People are going to demand smaller, more fuel efficient vehicles. American auto makers would be foolish not to respond in kind. We&#039;ll see if the Volt indeed gets launched in 2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time will tell with respect to General Motors and other major car manufacturers. The hand of all the car companies is being forced by the price of gas and I think that&#8217;s a good thing. People are going to demand smaller, more fuel efficient vehicles. American auto makers would be foolish not to respond in kind. We&#8217;ll see if the Volt indeed gets launched in 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: LS</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanenergydigest.com/2008/02/25/auto-rhetoric-getting-hotter/comment-page-1/#comment-159</link>
		<dc:creator>LS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 03:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d resist the characterization of RAN&#039;s interaction with GMNext as &quot;completely negative.&quot; We have a lot of ideas as to what GM could do right now to improve the environmental situation, starting with supporting California&#039;s EPA waiver and forgoing flex-fuel CAFE credits. So far they&#039;re not interested.

That GM engages in PR projects like GMNext to help clean up its image while its execs still think that global warming is a &quot;crock&quot; is pretty telling. How interested in are they really?

Luke Smith
Rainforest Action Network</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d resist the characterization of RAN&#8217;s interaction with GMNext as &#8220;completely negative.&#8221; We have a lot of ideas as to what GM could do right now to improve the environmental situation, starting with supporting California&#8217;s EPA waiver and forgoing flex-fuel CAFE credits. So far they&#8217;re not interested.</p>
<p>That GM engages in PR projects like GMNext to help clean up its image while its execs still think that global warming is a &#8220;crock&#8221; is pretty telling. How interested in are they really?</p>
<p>Luke Smith<br />
Rainforest Action Network</p>
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